Posted By Sweepin' BoneMan on 31 Aug 2009 08:46 PM
I do see how it would be cost-ineffective to have a TONER/T-44 guy almost completely retrain for a "single-seat" role - but I don't think it would cost that much more to have one go to bombers, the crew is already there and the flying is slightly similar ...

Bomber dudes did go through the T-1 track at one point circa '98/'99.  After graduation, they went over to the T-38 squadron for an "Introduction to Bomber Fundamentals" course before going off to the FTU.

Posted By Hacker on 01 Sep 2009 06:56 AM

Posted By Sweepin' BoneMan on 31 Aug 2009 08:46 PM
I do see how it would be cost-ineffective to have a TONER/T-44 guy almost completely retrain for a "single-seat" role - but I don't think it would cost that much more to have one go to bombers, the crew is already there and the flying is slightly similar ...

Bomber dudes did go through the T-1 track at one point circa '98/'99.  After graduation, they went over to the T-38 squadron for an "Introduction to Bomber Fundamentals" course before going off to the FTU.

 

That is something I didn't know ... Learn something every day! And from your previous post - it would make sense to have a single Phase III trainer, but then who would we buy it from? At the current rate of the Tanker fiasco, my son might have a chance at the "new" Phase III aircraft ... and he's still in the whom

I'd like to see the T-50; sort of a T-38/F-16 love child built in South Korea.

Pretty bad ass looking jet except for the farm house weather vane in place of the pitot tube.

That's just a flight test setup.

Quick question for the ROTC guys out there--What was the size of your det, and how many kids were picked up for ENJJPT? Last year we had 1 go, out of 30+ cadets. Seems a little low, assuming the top rated 3 or 4 want to go pilots.(Which I don't know for sure) I know it's about top 8-10% that go, so I would think on average a det with 30 cadets or so would most probably get at least two, if not three in some cases. (Assuming again the top three are pilot wannabes)

Basically what I'm wondering is... Are there other hidden factors that affect ENJJPT selections beside nationwide OoM score? Perhaps there is a cap on how many can come from a certain detachment, or maybe a Colonel vetoes some selections? Anyone know of anything or heard of that happening? Just curious. I guess when the next wave of JPTers come out in October I'll have a better look at things...

Yeah, that's about what I thought. Thanks Cajun.
I think maybe it's just because you never actually know someone's rank, you assume some people are top or close to top (Really, in a det of 30 you can only send about 3 before the Commander's score starts to weigh them down) whereas there are a few non-pilot cadet snapping up 2nd, 3rd, or even 1st place on the Commander's Ranking. Once my class goes through I'll have a better idea of how people are racked and stacked.

FWIW, there has been a "per Detachment" filter at least at some point in the past. I was denied a Nav slot for FY '95 (re-categorization board) because my Det had "too may Rated positions all ready".

So, that was a hell of a long time ago, and things have changed significantly since then...but there is always the potential for such an event to occur.

So if I am going the OTS route (Not yet an american citizen so AFROTC is out barring a miracle), and ENJJPT now sends pilots to UAV's and heavy's... If I *think* am looking for a fighter position after graduating is there any reason to go the ENJJPT route or just stick with normal IFS- UPT route? I understand correctly that ENJJPT is just another UPT but for the top grads of the Acad/ROTC/OTS classes?

I assume that by striving for the better school you improve your chances of getting into UPT anyways... I'm not looking for less work, just wondering why I would go for ENJJPT?

Sorry if this has been answered already, a link would be greatly appreciated if it has, I'm in the process of reading everything I can on the website so please bear with me!

Cheers,
JDMM

There are/have been occasional drops out of ENJJPT resulting in a UAV or Heavy. However, ENJJPT remains your best statistical possibility of getting to track Fighter/Bomber.
Yes, essentially ENJJPT is for top of the class grads of Academy, ROTC, and OTS. There are very few slots available, but if you think you want to go fighter you should definitely shoot for it.

Here's a link to the drop/track select thread so that you can get an idea of what recent drops have been: http://www.wantscheck.org/fontcolor...fault.aspx

Thanks matt! For the quick reply and the link was very helpfull!

Cheers!
JDMM

I haven't updated the drop/track module in a while, but things here are changing. The last two drops have looked like T-1 drops. It's been at least 75% heavies (for the active duty guys) with every aircraft in the inventory being given out (KC-10, KC-135, RC-135, C-5, C-17... pretty much everything but the Herc). The last two classes have had about 12-15 assignable Americans with only 3 fighters going out per class. So, statistically speaking, our drops are about identical to other bases right now.

However, the biggest difference about coming here is that you're guaranteed to track the T-38 if you can get past the T-6. This will give guys with out a lot of prior flying experience a chance to level the playing field with guys with a bunch of hours. At other bases, it's extremely competitive in the T-6 phase if you want 38s, and the guys with a lot of hours get an early advantage. Here, we're pretty chill in T-6s because we know that the bulk of your assignment is based on your performance in 38s.

Another big advantage of ENJJPT (if you want to fly fighters) is that if there is a sudden increase in the need for fighter pilots, Sheppard will fill the bulk of that need. Also, we've been getting less UAVs than the other bases, which is a good thing if you want to fly in a cockpit.

I haven't updated the drop/track module in a while, but things here are changing. The last two drops have looked like T-1 drops. It's been at least 75% heavies (for the active duty guys) with every aircraft in the inventory being given out (KC-10, KC-135, RC-135, C-5, C-17... pretty much everything but the Herc). The last two classes have had about 12-15 assignable Americans with only 3 fighters going out per class. So, statistically speaking, our drops are about identical to other bases right now.

However, the biggest difference about coming here is that you're guaranteed to track the T-38 if you can get past the T-6. This will give guys with out a lot of prior flying experience a chance to level the playing field with guys with a bunch of hours. At other bases, it's extremely competitive in the T-6 phase if you want 38s, and the guys with a lot of hours get an early advantage. Here, we're pretty chill in T-6s because we know that the bulk of your assignment is based on your performance in 38s.

Another big advantage of ENJJPT (if you want to fly fighters) is that if there is a sudden increase in the need for fighter pilots, Sheppard will fill the bulk of that need. Also, we've been getting less UAVs than the other bases, which is a good thing if you want to fly in a cockpit.

Thanks for the update Shep--that's some crucial information. I hope you're doing well and best of luck.

Posted By Shep on 02 Feb 2010 09:58 PM

Another big advantage of ENJJPT (if you want to fly fighters) is that if there is a sudden increase in the need for fighter pilots, Sheppard will fill the bulk of that need. Also, we've been getting less UAVs than the other bases, which is a good thing if you want to fly in a cockpit.

Shep, thanks for the update. What's the leadership down there projecting as far as the current trend of grad's getting sent to heavies and such?

I doubt they give too much in the way of projections--this stuff seems to sweep in and out pretty rapidly. I have to wonder what it will be like when I graduate UPT in about 2-2.5 years...

Ill be graduating from ENJJPT in another 1 year 7 months. So the way I look at it...if 75% are not fighters now...they probably will only get better from that

Yea I dunno...from what I hear...UPT T-38 slots are about 2-4 in a class of 20. Thats like 85% non-fighters. So ENJJPT still beats out UPT with the "shitty" 75% non-fighter drops that are going on right now.