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| 17 Apr 2008 03:13 PM |
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Does Initial Flight Screening seem like an incredible waste of time and money to anybody else? It almost sounds like someone at Doss Aviation has a family member in Congress or knows a 4 star to get this thing started. Why would someone who has already been deemed by the FAA to be a competent pilot need to attend IFS?? I'll bet that anyone who isn't supposed to be an AF pilot is quickly weeded out at UPT.
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Rynizzle
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| 17 Apr 2008 06:59 PM |
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Well when I went through just over ten years ago we went though the Doss program Enhanced Flight Screening Program (EFSP) flying the T-3A and it was a great program all around. It performed well enough to fly actual military overhead patterns and aerobatics and spins and we had the military pattern down before we even started UPT. It was good for the Air Force because it made them able to wash out the airsick types before wasting T-37 gas on them. In the T-6 I'm not sure how much is saved in gas between the two aircraft and I'm not sure how intense the flying is so I don't know how useful the current program is. It was a great program at one time, though. |
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Velosprints
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| 01 May 2008 01:00 PM |
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As it turns out, students who are destined for the Reserves DO NOT need to attend IFS if they have a PPL. I was a bit bitter in my previous post because I was pissed that I needed to waste my time at IFS.  This information comes directly from AFRC, so it is credible. Much happier now....... |
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Rynizzle
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| 01 May 2008 01:07 PM |
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If that makes you happy...
But if you wash out of UPT while thinking, "Man, sure would have been nice to have a program to prepare me for UPT" you may sing another tune. A PPL ain't jack shit. I've seen CFIs that SUCK in UPT. Personally, I think IFS is a great opportunity to be more well prepared for UPT and those that show up at UPT without it are more behind their peers that have been.
It's all perspective. |
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Velosprints
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| 01 May 2008 03:29 PM |
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Don't even mention the words "wash out!!"
I guess I am just too anxious to start UPT to have to sit through a six-week waste of the taxpayer's money......good program or not. |
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| 01 May 2008 04:50 PM |
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Don't even mention the word's "wash out?" What?? Now, I know you're not worried man! You think IFS is a waste of money. Not worth your time or the taxpayers cash. And you convinced me, in fact. I made a few phone calls and you'll be skipping UPT entirely and starting right with IFF. Way to save the taxpayers money! Just remember during BFM what you learned when you got that PPL and you'll be good to go.  |
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Velosprints
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| 01 May 2008 05:21 PM |
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alright, alright.....I get it. But I'm still not going. |
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| 01 May 2008 09:00 PM |
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Reserve or active...if they let me fly it....I'll fly it. Even if it is a DA-20. Velo...just remember, everything is a blessing when you are getting paid to fly airplanes. I know and you know you and me both spent alot of money getting our civilian flight experience... I am in agreement with you (velo) that the AF could have saved some money when building the nice new facility in Pueblo...the thing looks ridiculous to me...maybe use some of those old trainers that they just trashed also (didn't even allow civilian A&P's refurbish them...just threw them in the trash...engine and all). |
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Velosprints
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| 01 May 2008 10:59 PM |
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Oh believe me, I will be happy to finally be paid to fly. After dropping $8500 on my PPL. it'll a breath of fresh air. I don't want to sound like I am whining or complaining, because as you said, it is a blessing. I have been waiting for this for my whole life.
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| 31 Jan 2010 02:30 PM |
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Time to bump an old thread, though I doubt anyone is around right now to give me any answers...
Tips for IFS? Anything you would have liked to know?
Also, and more importantly, I only have about 10 hours in a Cessna(Yeah, 10, I know--but they're expensive!) I would be willing to drop some more cash and get my private or closer to it before I go--is this a good idea? Any way to familiarize myself with some of the patterns and maneuvers I'll be doing before I get there? I consider myself kind of a slow learner, but once I get something I've found I can come close to mastering it pretty easily. I want to prepare myself as much as possible so I can grasp the materials and maneuvers and excel.
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ENmafia
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| 31 Jan 2010 04:10 PM |
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Go to their website and read everything you can find.
Specifically get the boldface/ops limits wired before you get there. I
made notecards of the boldface/ops limits and filled out a blank one everyday
before going for the couple weeks leading up. Other than that man just
enjoy yourself now so you are ready to hit ground running and work your tail off
once you get there (just like UPT but for 4 weeks instead of 55).
Also, IMO shelling out for extra hours probally won't help you
that much...I mean if learning how to fly was somekind of line chart or
something (I majored in Comms give me a break here) I think your learning curve
as far as helping you at IFS or UPT is at a similar level all the way from 10
hours to your PPL. Others may have a different opion so take that for
what's it worth. I got my PPL in ROTC so I could check that container on
my pilot slot app to try and market myself for ENJJPT a little better though now
we know it was/is based strictly on OOM. Am I glad I got my PPL; yea I am
but was it neccessary? Absolutly not.
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matt
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| 31 Jan 2010 04:31 PM |
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Thanks for the input--I think you're right that at some point the extra hours really aren't helping. I may do it until I at least solo, but again, I may be wasting my money. I checked out the Boldface/ops limits, I plan to know those in my sleep. Thanks again. |
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| 31 Jan 2010 04:31 PM |
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Thanks for the input--I think you're right that at some point the extra hours really aren't helping. I may do it until I at least solo, but again, I may be wasting my money. I checked out the Boldface/ops limits, I plan to know those in my sleep. Thanks again. |
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| 31 Jan 2010 04:41 PM |
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Yea I guess I didn't think about that...if you are only a few hours away from solo that would probally be a good idea and worth it...little extra confidence boost and good experience. But after that I would let Uncle Sam pay for your hours.
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| 31 Jan 2010 05:12 PM |
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I'm going to IFS in June. Any tips? How many hours of flight time do we get? What's the curriculum? Do we just have to Solo, or is it an entire PPL program? |
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| 31 Jan 2010 10:02 PM |
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Tips - Read above. Flight Time - approx 15-20 hours I
think without checking my log book. Curriculum should be on their website
but yea you'll solo and have one final checkride at the end. So a bunch of
rides with one solo and one checkride. It is not a PPL program it's a
screening program and they will tell you day one that they save the AF 2 mil per
washout but it really isn't super hard. |
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| 13 Mar 2010 04:25 PM |
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I'm in the middle of IFS right now.
I'm not convinced you can really prepare for it besides getting a few hours of flight time (not necessarily a PPL, I had 14hrs), and knowing those Bold Face/OL. It is designed to be a firehose of information and flying. As they love to remind you here, it is a screening program. It's pass/fail. There are no DGs here. Either they think you will make it in UPT, or you won't.
I don't think IFS is designed to save the AF money as much as it is designed to save the AF slots in UPT. If someone fails at IFS, they only occupied a 4 week slot. If you get 1 month into UPT and wash out, your slot can't be refilled for 52 weeks. It hurts the AF's ability to produce their quota of pilots when 15% wash out of UPT. That is why it exists. Doss aviation has every incentive to cut you if they think you won't make it. When their 10 year contract is up, the AF is going to review it as a worthwhile program. If it is, they get another $180 million bucks.
My attitude? They can only ask you to do your best, so do it. Live it. Love it. You are getting paid to go fly airplanes, that beats the hell out of most occupations. In my, ever so humble, opinion. |
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| 29 Apr 2010 07:10 AM |
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Waste of time, screening process, old fashioned good time...... whatever you want to call it. Anyone attending the May 25th class? |
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| 02 May 2010 08:45 PM |
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I'll be there for the May 25th class. Still trying to get my flight suits.
Anyone have any luck getting their unit to pay for a rental car while at IFS? Not really looking forward to the drive to Pueblo. I would rather fly and rent a car. |
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| 12 May 2010 02:41 PM |
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Im pretty sure they issue out your fly suit there. For all of us brand new 2nd Lt. guys that are EADing and going TDY enroute to ASBC...then 1 week after ASBC going to IFS...we wouldn't have any place to pick up flight suits. |
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