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ENJJPT Averages Low?
Last Post 04 Dec 2006 11:41 AM by Andrew Ziolkowski. 6 Replies.
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03 Dec 2006 12:15 PM

The massive improvement to the Pilot Slot Stats page has allowed not only the viewing of more information but a better display of it and has led to an interesting observation.  Of course, take this with a grain of salt since,of the 217 pilot selects that put their info into the database only 5 reportedly went to ENJJPT...but it's showing the ENJJPT average PCSM is lower than the average PCSM for all the commissioning sources except ROTC.  Kinda strange.  But it shows the guys that got selected for EN had more advanced flight ratings.  Again...take it with a grain of salt since only 5 in the database reported going there.

Does make me wonder though.  When I was in ROTC I didn't even know there was such a thing as ENJJPT let alone how to apply for it.  I wonder if it isn't a good deal where knowing about it is half the battle?

Some of you ENers out there can you fill me in on how one competes for it?  Does everyone compete for it automatically or is there something special involved?

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03 Dec 2006 12:25 PM
Actually after taking a better look... ENJJPT PCSM averages are lower than the averages for OTS, Active Duty, and Guard. But they are still higher than the overall PCSM average and, more importantly, the ROTC averages (much higher). USAFA PCSM isn't recorded.

This makes sense. OTS, Active Duty, and Guard are all highly competitive routes to a pilot slot and there are less guys getting to UPT from these routes than ROTC and USAFA guys. ROTC is the only really good indicator of the ENJJPT standards. My guess is there is a relatively large pecentage of OTS, Active Duty, and Guard guys in ENJJPT. Can anyone confirm?
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03 Dec 2006 12:46 PM
Ryno,

As far as the ENJJPT selection process from ROTC goes:

They use the same point system as when applying for standard UPT. If they want, let's say 60 guys from ROTC for ENJJPT, they go to the top-to-bottom ranking of those that got picked up for pilots slots, and take the top 60 that volunteered for the ENJJPT program.

As far as what it takes to volunteer:

The most commonly used way is checking a box or something similar when filling out an interest/application sheet for rated slots during the AS 300 year/the academic year before commissioning.

Also, one reason for people maybe not putting ENJJPT down when they fill out their stats on this site could be that maybe they added their stats to the site shortly after getting their pilot slot but before they found out that they got selected for ENJJPT. This past year there was about a 7 month gap between finding out about getting a pilot slot and then finding out whether or not you got selected for ENJJPT if you volunteered for it.

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03 Dec 2006 12:58 PM
Great info. That makes sense. The ROTC guys that get EN slots are the top guys from ROTC which puts them on par with the average Active Duty, OTS, or Guard guy. Just goes to show what a relatively EASY route ROTC is to wings.

I might have missed the checkbox for ENJJPT when I went through not that I was too concerned. Any base that handed out wings was good enough for me.

That makes sense on the lack of EN data in the database. Another big reason its lacking is when it first came out, and for some time after, it didn't even take EN data. We made it so that it does and guys that put in their info way back in the day can "fill in the gaps" now should they want. But a server/architecture change in the middle made that somewhat of a pain in the rear.

It's much better now and once we get the stats entry revamped it'll be solid.
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04 Dec 2006 11:10 AM
I've seen a handful of active duty ENJJPT select's pilot application and I can tell you that they definately did not have the highest scores. They did, however, have something very unique that set them apart from the pack, ie. Army experience, second languages, huge accomplishments, high-ranking Gen-level endorsements, etc.
On the active duty side, that "whole person" concept is in full effect and PCSM is just a piece of the pie.
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04 Dec 2006 11:14 AM
Oh, and from the active duty side, only 9 were selected for EN last year.
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04 Dec 2006 11:41 AM

Slim,

Those other pieces (i.e. AD awards, Gen endorsements, etc) make perfect sense for the AD whole-person concept. 

However, ROTC also tries to select via the whole-person concept.  They just use different variables.  The PCSM score is only 15% of the entire pie.  The rest are: PFT score, Field Training ranking, GPA, and the big one - RSS (a.k.a. Commander's Ranking and/or class ranking) is 50% of the overall score.

 ROTC does their best to encompass everything that someone does during their ROTC career to get all of an individual's strong and weak points/performances.  However, it's just that, all they have to go off of is ROTC.  However, you'd hope that they can get a good idea of someone's potential as an officer after training and evaluating them for ~4 years...at least enough to be accurate the high-majority of the time.

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