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"Officers Rank"??
Last Post 09 Nov 2009 12:20 PM by BullsPilot. 9 Replies.
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Robert Private Message This User:  Posts:5

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| 26 Oct 2009 03:52 PM |
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ive been hearing that your chances of getting a flight slot are greatly affected by your "officers rank". Forgive me if this has been answered already, but what is this? Right now im 17 (junior in hs) and plan on majoring in Aerospace Engineering while attending AFROTC at IIT in Chicago. What would you guys say are the most important factors that contribute to you getting a flight slot? Also, how big of a difference do flight hours make? I could probably reach 6-8 hours if I wanted before its time for slot picks (not sure what they are called exactly)
Also, what is this "FT" I keep hearing about? It has something to do with being in the "Third half" or "bottom half"? Is this the fitness test you guys are talking about? |
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matt Private Message This User:  Posts:147

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| 27 Oct 2009 07:46 AM |
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Ok. First off--I'm glad you're motivated enough to do the research and find out what it takes; that's an important first step. However, you need to slow down a little. ROTC and the quest for a pilot slot probably seem a little overwhelming at the moment, but let me promise you ROTC will slow down and if you work hard you will be fine. But, since you asked, I'll break down a few of your questions. When you say "Officer's Rank", I believe you are referring to the Order of Merit score (OoM) This is a total score of all the categories by which cadets are ranked/scored. PFA, GPA, PCSM, Field Training (FT), and RSS (Relative Standing Score). I would go into all of these, except this website is designed to answer all of these questions--At the top of the site you will see a menu called "Pilot Slot Resources" and under it's drop down menu you will see "ROTC Pilot Slot". That's where you need to go. Here is a link: http://www.wantscheck.com/PilotSlot...fault.aspx Read all of that--if you still have questions, come back and we can help you out. |
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Robert Private Message This User:  Posts:5

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| 28 Oct 2009 06:14 PM |
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Thanks man that's what I was looking for.
Yeah I plan on going all out in college. Im REALLY hoping I get accepted into IIT, which might be hard. They said students that enter IIT usually get an act between 25-30 and on my practice ACT (which I took in sophomore year) I got like a 21. Then again, I didnt do any studying for that AND I was only a sophomore. Im gonna study my ass off for this act.
In college, im seriously gonna bust my ass and do whatever it takes. The reason I want IIT is because it has bother Aerospace Engineering AND AFROTC. Now I know what you may be thinking: "Oh great, another kid taking Aerospace just because he thinks it will make him a better pilot." This couldnt be further from the truth. Before I even began considering AF I decided that Aerospace Engineering is what I want. The Universe and Aviation are some serious passions of my (AKA they take up more than 6 hours of my day in terms of research and flight sim ). I did hear that in a year, they will begin taking cadets for UAV's as a direct track instead of pulling them from UPT. This is ok with me i suppose, although it is my dream to become a pilot, the other half is just how amazing the Air Force is to me. I love what they wear, I love the environment they operate in, I love the WAY they operate. I know it is right for me, and im gonna do whatever it takes to get there.
"The call to serve; it has no sound, yet I have heard it in the whispered re-telling of honorable sacrifices made by those who have served before me. The call to serve has no form, yet I have seen it in the eyes of the men and women infinitely more courageous and more driven than most." |
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squirrel21 Private Message This User:  Posts:9

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| 28 Oct 2009 06:20 PM |
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Robert,
I was just like you are now when I started out. Motivated as all get out trying to figure everything out. All I can say is just take it one semester at a time. Field Training is still far off for you, but to start preparing I would say just do well in most everything around your detachment. However, DO NOT burn yourself out!
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matt Private Message This User:  Posts:147

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| 28 Oct 2009 08:43 PM |
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Listen to Squirrel--If you're not careful, you will burn out. The beginning is very exciting--you're embarking on this great personal crusade and all. Great. We understand and it is an amazingly fun ride. Remember though, of all the challenges ahead, patience is often the hardest part. Pace yourself and good luck.
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Robert Private Message This User:  Posts:5

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| 28 Oct 2009 10:28 PM |
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well wait, I didnt think that field training was a big deal in ROTC. The whole reason im doing ROTC instead of OTS is so i can avoid the 12 weeks of hell at OTS. I thought field training was like 5 days long? Also, i hear you can get like certain awards in field training and that these awards will boost your chances of a pilot slot? Also, please explain ROTC itself to me. Its one class a day right? What do you do in an rotc class? How many times do you have to run and workout a week? Also, what do you do in the leadership lab? Thanks for all the help guys. I just watched speed and angels, and listened to how jay got shot in the face yet still got his medical. This really boosts my confidence since I was born with a smaller left hand, although if the flight doc even notices it I can easily demonstrate I can still Effectively manipulate aircraft controls. I am, in fact, the top typer in my info processing class (no, i dont look at the keys =] ). I, for one, will NOT take no for an answer and will take a second, third, or even fourth opinion if I have to in order to get my medical. This might be hard though since no one in my family wants me to join the military. Also, it said in speed and angels that to become a naval pilot its like a 1 in 10,000 chance? I know this is navy, but i mean air force must be the same. That simply does not sound right. Also, how much do your fitness test grades count? When in ROTC do you take the AFOQT and fitness tests and all the other tests. Man I have WAYYYY to many questions haha sorry but I want to prepare myself as much as i can for this. |
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BurntRubber Private Message This User:  Posts:28

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| 28 Oct 2009 11:27 PM |
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I don't really wanna say, "you don't need to know all that", but you really don't. Your focus right now should be on getting that ACT up high, getting accepted to college, and preparing yourself academically to do well in college. Field Training is ever changing, I think it is 3 weeks right now. Don't worry about it, ROTC will prepare you for it, it's just military training. Contact the colleges you are applying to in order to find out about their specific ROTC program and what they do. Probably one class per semester and one leadership laboratory. Again, just military training, you'll pick it up as you go. You have to be fit to fight. Working out should be a part of your life for sure, so start now if it isn't. 1 in 10,000? I hear 92.54% of statistics are made up. Medical...I have no idea about your hand, you would almost certainly have to get a waiver, but it might not be a big deal at all, depending your exact situation. You'd have to talk to a doc. The whole reason im doing ROTC instead of OTS is so i can avoid the 12 weeks of hell at OTS. Expect a challenge wherever you go, don't shy away from some good training. |
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matt Private Message This User:  Posts:147

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| 29 Oct 2009 08:32 AM |
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Robert-- Slow down. --"ROTC" isn't defined by an hour long class or something, it depends on the detachment. --LLAB can be a variety of things--group activities, training time, guest speakers, etc. --Wanting to be a pilot is great--I definitely understand--however you have to realize that joining the Air Force is something you do for everyone in the country, it is a commitment to service. You may not get a slow and still have to serve time, and it's important you do so with a good attitude and realize how important what you're doing is. You have plenty of time to learn this, you're not even in yet but... Rubber is right you really don't need to know any of that stuff yet--it won't help you. |
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Hacker Team WantsCheck Private Message This User:  Posts:192

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| 29 Oct 2009 12:45 PM |
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Posted By Robert on 28 Oct 2009 10:28 PM
Also, it said in speed and angels that to become a naval pilot its like a 1 in 10,000 chance? I know this is navy, but i mean air force must be the same. That simply does not sound right.
Realize that these kind of statistics don't really say what you might think they say. Essentially they look at the total number of officers and compare that to the total number of aviators -OR- they look at the total number of ascessions (commissions) each year, and compare it to the number of pilots who get winged. They're impressive sounding, but don't really state the real statistical chances.
In the AF, about 1,000 pilots have been produced each year for the last 10 years or so. |
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