I've got a couple of questions regarding ENJJPT stuff. I applied for it when I put in for catagorization, and I know its competitive to get, but it is something that I wanted to apply for. I was hopin' maybe some dudes on this forum could enlighten me.

 

1.) Some one recently told me that ENJJPT washout rates are upwards to 40-50%. I find that hard to believe, and was wondering if any ENJJPT studs or IPs could confirm/deny this.

 

2.) I saw a breifing saying that during Big Week for FY 10 (the one that just recently met), they were selecting ENJJPT canidates. From my previous experience, I thought that ENJJPT results came out around November. Does anyone know if they are changing it this year? I guess it would be nice to find out earlier than November. I hate this waiting game crap for the normal UPT slots to come out, although I'm pretty sure that ours are comming out next week.

Thanks!!!!

 

 

I don't have a stat to back me up, but that washout rate is way too high. I've talked with enough Colonels, cadets, and ENJJPT kids--that's not accurate.
Also, while they select pilot slots during big week, people typically don't receive ENJJPT news until September or later--I can't remember the reason why, you'd have to ask one of the ENJ guys on this forum or search through some older threads.

2 on the washout rate...it can't be much higher than normal upt. You find out in Sept bc that is what the reg says. That is when they do the first cat upgrade for the pilot alt list and do the OOM cut for EN. If you want to read the reg I believe it is on the side of the ENJJPT page on this site. Good Luck! ** Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

1) These other guys got it right... that washout rate is wrong. With a class of 15-20 Americans starting, you can expect to lose 1-3 throughout the year of UPT. This is a percentage range of 5%-20%, with the lower end of that range being more likely.

2) Same as EN, in our categorization year, they released ENJJPT results in September, and that was the way it had alwasy been in recent memory. The only way this would have changed is if they changed the reg, but I have no idea whether that happened or not.

OOM period dot read the reg tell your shoe clerk cadre to do their research before they feed u BS...my shoe clerk cadre If you read this I love u! Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

How many ENJJPT slots are normally given out?

40 to 65 from my experience caring about the number the last 2/3 years Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

Yeah, I think the idea is top 10%, hence the numbers ENJJPTmafia gave. Usually in that range.

So after people get picked up for ENJJPT, whatever number of them then vacates slots for people on the pilot alt list?

Fail...no enjjpt is a base location... ** Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

That means the ENJJPT pilot are already accounted for--Sheppard is a UPT base just like any other, like Vance, Moody, Laughlin, and Columbus. You're not allowed to go unless you're top 10% essentially. No pilots slots are vacated, it's just a special place they put the top of the class. Think of it like honors classes.

Same OOM...kinda makes sense to re calc but they don't. ** Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

I kinda like the idea of them not re-calculating it. It does make sense..but with two 17 hour semesters ahead of me..I don't want to have to worry about making a stellar GPA. I just gotta get the hell out of here now..

Gonna change the name of this thread from ENNJPT to ENJJPT...Euro Nato Joint Jet Pilot Training...carry on.

I know this is kinda late, but better late than never.  Maybe we can clear up some confusion. I was under the impression that each det gets an OoM for their FY Class. Then the information goes up to headquarters, and THEY are the ones that throw down the final OoM.  My class order went from a mid 90's to an 80 after I looked at the Headquarters OoM. Get in with the NCO's to see that one. Because we all know they make the world go round...gosh I love them!

If i'm 100 percent wrong, my bust, just putting in my .02

 

I think you may be confusing the RSS (where your Det Commander ranks you in relation to your peers) with the actual OM (Order of Merit score that determines who gets a pilot slot and eventually ENJJPT). Here's how it works:

1) Your OM is an objective, numbers based score that is used to stratify you with other pilot wannabes around the country.

2) Your selection/non-selection for a pilot slot is 100% based on this OM score. It is composed of the following sub-scores: 50% - RSS, 15% - GPA, 15% - PCSM, 10% - FT, and 10% PFT. So if you have a 4.0 GPA, you'll receive 15 out of 15 possible points for THAT section of the OM. If you have anything less than a 4.0, your points for that section will decrease porportionately to your suck factor. It works the same for all the other parts of the OM score.

3) All of your scores combined will spit out a composite score between 0 - 100. Your number will be placed in HQ's pilot-selection-hopper with everybody elses number in the country; racked and stacked. The Air Force needs "x" number of pilots for your FY selection. If you're in the top "x" number of wannabes... congrats! If not, you may get a CSO or ABM slot, depending on how far below the cutoff you were.

4) The RSS is by far the biggest influence in your overall score. This is the part that is specific to the det... they're can be only one number one dude/dudette.

5) Once they have all the pilot selects, they'll take the top 50 or so OM scores in the country and give them ENJJPT slots (it depends on how many ENJJPT needs that FY).

6) Contrary to popular belief, THERE IS NO LIMITATION ON PILOT SLOTS OR ENJJPT SLOTS PER DETACHMENT. Your det's pilot slots are only limited by each individuals OM score. If you have everyone in your class go up for pilot and everyone has an OM higher than the cutoff... everybody gets a pilot slot. However, if you think about it you'll realize that the curve for the RSS score is steep. And SOMEBODY has to be last in the class soooo the chance of them getting a slot isn't that great.

Hope this helps clear up the process... don't listen to bullshit rumors. This is how it works.